Saturday, October 27, 2007

Al Carroll commits libel 11 times.

Here is a response to Al Carroll's article that he posted on August 6th, 2007 on many internet groups and the real reason why is website was taken of line.

LIBEL 1
Dr. Al Carroll: "New Age Frauds Plastic Shamans or NAFPS, located online at Newagefraud.org has been shut down temporarily due to the lies and libel by an English New Age racist, John Lekay, editor of Heyoka Magazine. Lekay is a leading promoter of New Age exploitation and colonialism and seeks to dominate Native spiritual traditions, especially Lakota religion, by promoting a series of fringe characters, all the while silencing Native voices."

John LeKay: Libel Number 1.

New age fraud was shut down by their own choice. They were asked to remove the egregious libel concerning myself and were given 4 and a half days to do so. They chose to shut down their own site rather than remove the libel. Rather than say he was caught red handed lying, this is his attempt at blame shifting. I am definitely not a racist either. This is just another desperate attempt of his predictable mud slinging and playing the race card.

I have never tried to silence anyone's voice or promoted New Age exploiters. Interviewing various people and asking objective questions to access the truth is not promoting them. Al Carroll's inability to make a distinction between a message and the messenger is his fault not mine and if anything only reveals his lacking in critical discernment skills.

In answer to the charge of silencing all the native voices across the US? In reality, what I have done is the exact opposite and provided a platform for their voices could be heard. So that the injustices, human rights abuses, the environmental issues, the poverty and the rest are disseminated as wide as possible, through Heyoka magazine, links and list servers.

LIBEL 2

Dr Al Carroll: "Mr Lekay joined the Newagefraud. org forum a few weeks ago and tried to bully its members into withdrawing our criticism of New Age racism, exploitation, sexual abuse, and greed and commercialism."

John LeKay: Libel Number 2. I asked for evidence of proof that these people accused were "frauds, perverts, sham-ons, feces, rapists, lost wonder breads, perverts, exploiters". I asked Al Carroll and his group to substantiate their claims, email gossip, hearsay, speculation and assumptions. For doing so, I was viciously attacked by Al Carroll and one or two others and was called a child, racist, insane, rambler, cross dresser, conspiracy theorist, ignorant, propagator of genocide and pedophile interviewer and more; on various forums such as http://www.indianz.com etc.

LIBEL 3
Al Carroll: "When we refused to back down, Lekay became abusive, arrogant, childish, and attacked our members, misrepresented the position of Newagfraud.org and the respected Native elders we support, and used foul and abusive language with elderly members, even repeatedly comparing Native elders who oppose the New Age movement to mass murderers."

John LeKay: Libel Number 3. Again this is not true and in reference to Tachia Hawk. The woman that called Looking Back Woman and Mala Spotted Eagle frauds, sham ons, feces, lost wonder bread children. No foul language was used by myself. Not even once.

LIBEL 4.
Al Carroll: "The moderators banned Lekay for his abusive behavior."

JL: Libel Number 4. I was banned from NAFPS because I would not react to his abusive name calling. When all else failed and Al Carroll saw he was miserably loosing the debate, he hit the delete button. He also banned me because they could not provide me with substantiated evidence of some of the people they were accusing as frauds, perverts and more. As far as posting emails of accusing Mala Spotted Eagle of being a rapist on NAFPS and calling him one on indianz.com; I investigated this and found out he was never charged in Europe of rape. This was complete fabrication and libel.

LIBEL 5
Al Carroll: "He responded by contacting our host with more misrepresentations and false accusations, demanding we take off criticism of him or the New Age exploiters he promoted. When we refused, our host, which has changed owners, shut us down."


John LeKay: Libel Number 5. I only contacted the POW WEB hosting company after seeing more libel about accusing me of being people I was not on the NAFPS site and more libel like saying I was making a film to smear Arvol Looking Horse and more. Once again, Al Carroll was graciously given 48 hours to remove the libel, and then an extra two and a half days. In total 4 and a half days. He self sabotaged his own site by not listening to his own hosting company. He not only didnt remove this libel, but he then posted his own web hosting company's lawyer's warning letter and my confidential letter online. He then allowed more comments and threats about this letter by others, like posting this letter on http://www.indianz.com. Such as having me" torn apart by Pit Bulls and Dobermans".

This is considered harassment and in violation of his terms of service.

POW WEB TERMS OF SERVICE. Offensive Communication - harassment, defamation, libel and hate speech - Customers are prohibited from using our services to engage in activities that may be considered harassing, defamatory, libelous or malicious. Whether a particular activity is within scope of this prohibition is solely within our discretion. We generally consider harassing activity - or harassment - to be the act, or intention, of intimidating, threatening or otherwise tormenting others using our services. Harassment can result from the language used, or the frequency or size of a message. Hate speech or literature includes, but is not limited to, anything that prejudices, creates a hostile bias or grossly defames a group. Al Carroll obviously violated Pow Web's terms of service and his legal contact by indulging in libel, harassment, intimidation, prejudice, maliciousness, defamatory comments etc.

I can easily prove this libel and that's why he was taken offline. The same way I can easily prove that what he states in this artilce is also libel. He did this to himself. This situation could have easily been remedied. I never asked for his site to be removed. I simply asked for a remedy to remove this libel and my private home address, street address, from his site.

LIBEL 6
Al Carroll: "Lekay has also contacted many people by e-mail, trying to obtain their support, which failed miserably. The only support he found was from a notorious white supremacist posing as part Comanche, David Yeagley, and one of his leading supporters, a violent racist named John Martin who has issued a number of death threats."


John LeKay: Libel Number 6. John Martin is a full blood Lakota and not a white supremacist, who had photos of his wife and two small children posted by Al Carroll on his website. I have never heard of a a full blood Indian being a white supremacist. That's like saying an African American is a white supremacist. It defies all logic and common sense. This seems to be the pattern. That anyone who disagrees with Al Carroll or questions his authority is labeled a racist, a white supremacist, fraud, child, insane, ignorant, paranoid, dangerous, violent, pervert, rapist, pedophile interviewer, cross dresser, wing nut, loon, crackpot, Rasptuin (his latest label for me) and much worse. It also seems that when he can't use logic during a debate, he reverts to name calling as if he is a gang member; not a PhD college professor.

LIBEL 7
Al Carroll: "Lekay uses his Heyoka Magazine to publish several libelous articles about Dr Al Carroll, one of the founders of NAFPS, and Annika Banfeld the director of a Swedish charity for Native children who also helped produce a film against the exploitation of American Indian spirituality."


John LeKay: Libel Number 7. These articles are interviews with Jimmy La Vallee, who was slandered and libeled by Al Carroll, and Robin, an ex NAFPS member and respected NA elder who was also attacked by him. Also an interview with Thomas Lightning Bolt. Also an article questioning Al Carroll's claims of being a Mescalero apache.

LIBEL 8
Al Carroll: "Lekay is an ignorant, paranoid, and dangerous man who stated publicly he believed American Indians still live in tipis."


John LeKay: Libel Number 8. I have never stated that NAs live in Tipis. This is pure ludicrousness and more mendacity. Another absolute lie!

LIBEL 9
Al Carroll: "He smears all who disagree with him as FBI and RMCP agents, or even tools of Bush and Cheney."


John LeKay: Libel Number 9. I asked Barnaby McEwan ( "Alternative" English man residing in Totnes Devon England and NAFPS administrator) if he was in the FBI after he was attacking Kevin Annett and his film "unrepentant". As far as I know, only one other person has attempted to stop this film other than these agencies, other than Al Carroll. So it seems Dr. Al Carroll, the FBI and the RMCP have a lot in common in silencing the genocide, rape and molestation of 50,000 Canadian native children. Why would anyone in good conscience want to do this? See film you decide. http://www.heyokamagazine.com/HEYOKA.8.Unrepentant..htm

LIBEL 10
Al Carroll: "Lekay is spending huge sums of his own money to produce a film promoting the replacement of Arvol Looking Horse with Suzanne Dupree AKA "Looking Back Woman", an ex hairdresser who has been off the reservation for nearly twenty year yet claims to be the "true" possessor of the Lakota sacred pipe."

John LeKay: Libel Number 10. This is pure 100 percent libel again. I do not even know Louie Lawless the filmmaker. I interviewed him once last year. I never met Looking Back Woman and also interviewed her last year and have zero to do with this film - Absolutely NOTHING! This is another reason why he was kicked of his site since this can easily be proved by asking the filmmaker Louie Lawless himself. Any web hosting lawyer can send him an email and find this out.

LIE 1) Al Carroll: The latest news is that Lekay is apparently making a film about Dupree, a full length feature devoting to smearing Looking Horse. And Lekay is backing the film entirely with his own money. He sent out a series of press releases only last month promoting it.

LIE 2) So it seems that Lekay was lying the entire time he was here. He is not disinterested or nonpartisan as he repeatedly claimed, even though everyone saw through that right away. He is the one who is out to protect his investment in a film. Monday Aug 6th, 2007 9:45 PM

LIE 3) Lekay is spending huge sums of his own money to produce a film promoting the replacement of Arvol Looking Horse with Suzanne Dupree AKA "Looking Back Woman", an ex hairdresser who has been off the reservation for nearly twenty year yet claims to be the "true" possessor of the Lakota sacred pipe.

Now this is what the film maker had to say about this.

BIG LIE by Louie Lawless Sunday Aug 12th, 2007 3:12 PM

John LeKay is in no way involved with any film that I am doing or going to do, and he is not financing any film with me or for me. Thanks Louie Lawless

LIBEL 11
Al Carroll: "Lekay and Dupree have white European New Age supporters presently spreading libel and lies about Looking Horse and his planned trip to Europe to speak against New Age exploiters. While falsely accusing Looking Horse of seeking to sell the sacred pipe to European whites, some of these same European whites themselves are ceremony sellers and promoters of New Age frauds like "Rainbow Eagle" and the so called "Deer Tribe."


John LeKay: Libel Number 11. I have no European supporters or any idea who "Rainbow Eagle" is or this "Deer Tribe". This is more of the same libel and misinformation. The only person I can think of who I know who has questioned this film and issue is by a very well known Lakota activist and elder named Alfred Bone Shirt. http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070801/NEWS/708010325

Some Interesting Comments about NAFPS

LETS BE TRUTHFUL SHALL WE?

This group, NAFPS represents no one but themselves and their own sick agenda. The vast majority of the membership is not Native American, but people from Europe, or people who claim they are, but they are not.

Groups like this were once spread everywhere until Internet Laws and lawsuits started to be filed about the false allegations and libelous statements they would make about anyone who disagrees with them, or who stands up to them and refuses to take their abuse. To take a stand, is to encourage even more abuse from this group. Fortunately, internet laws have prevented their harassment via email and now web hosts are beginning to realize that they are not worth the time, effort or expense, so they shut them down, which they should do. With all the allegations they have made recently, they have provided no proof at all. When they allege someone is a culture vulture or selling ceremonies, they present no documented evidence, such as filming such events, obtaining records which proves money has changed hands, (they could even use notices of such events which would contain this information if the person is a fake)

What they do time and time again, is allege, insinuate, twist things around and of course, back one another up to prove what? That they are fools, who are so insecure about who they are, that they have appointed themselves guardians of Indian nations' traditions and ceremonies when these nations are more than able to handle such matters and not in the manner in which these people operate. Tricia Jacobs, who claims to be Cherokee, is not Cherokee, but she had a website with the word respect on it, written in the Cherokee language. She never showed one bit of respect to anyone, even to herself. She ripped people to shreds on her website and when the individual was naive and thought if the contacted her they could deal with her allegations reasonably, she would take their email and put it on her website, and rip them to shreds again. She was in total control or so she thought, until people, who were fed up with her attacks, began to file lawsuits against her and she took her website down because as she claimed at the time, "she was tired of being attacked." You would think that feeling that way herself, she would learn what she had been doing to people for years.


Some of the people they have mentioned as being fakes are. But they have no right to harass people and print their personal information online on their websites, or to make so many allegations without providing proof of those allegations. They provide no proof - nothing! Where is their proof? Yet, when they are called on what they are doing wrong, and their websites are removed for violations of the Terms of Services for use, they start crying about how their freedom of speech is being taken from them; they start whining that they are being attacked because they are Native American Indians, their freedoms are being denied to them and on and on. This is the same response that has been used by many other websites that have been removed for the same reasons.


They do not represent any American Indian nations. No Elder would ever approve of the tactics they employ towards others. This claim they make, is an outright lie and they know it. Our Elders teach us to be respectful of all people, that if we cannot get along with others, just to go our own way and let them go theirs, because the Great Mystery will tend to judgement of all people. It is not their job to charge, judge and harass others. If they find an individual who is selling ceremony for an example, then they should go to that nation's tribal council and let the tribal council handle it.

It is impossible to stop every website on the internet that they do not agree with. They got away with that for a very long time, but now, thankfully, there are laws to protect the innocent from such unjustified attacks. John LeKay has a online ezine. They have made many allegations against him, and in doing so, they have shown great disrespect to the true Native Elders who Mr. LeKay has interviewed in the past. He has also presented news items about Native Americans. I have seen nothing in his articles that show anything but a publisher presenting articles for any reader who wishes to read it.


They claim he is attacking Chief Arvol Looking Horse. This is a lie - but I wonder, why aren't they harassing Chief Looking Horse's sister, who made some very unkind statements about her own brother in the local mainstream press? Or other statements that have been made against Chief Arvol Looking Horse, by many well-known activists who are definitely Lakota and live on the reservation? Why aren't they attacking Alfred Boneshirt for an example? He has made many statements about his own concerns about the Sacred Pipe, as have many other Lakota people. The charges being made by many natives against the Chief are even of a criminal nature in some respects - why aren't they supporting the Chief in this regard? They do nothing of good for anyone. They talk about fakes and twinkies, yet they are dealing with Europeans in Sweden of all places and worrying about educating them. Why don't they spend that time in true worthwhile endeavors with native people and work on the reservations, work with the youth, etc?


People are desperately needed to cut firewood at Rosebud and Pineridge. Items such as saw blades and other things are desperately needed by native volunteers to help the people who live there before another cold winter sets in and the elders and families freeze to death in their homes, which has happened too many times. Why don't they help support the efforts of one Lakota family to harvest hemp so they can start a company, offer employment to their own people and become more self-reliant? There are so many good things they could be doing, but they call this activism. They prefer to slander, hurt, and lie about other people because it makes them feel powerful and in control.

They make decent and good native people ashamed by their actions. Al Carroll has an education, it's too bad he wastes it in such a way that he does. I'd also like to know how much money they are making off the native people with their books and now this upcoming movie? Those Swedish people rather than spend thousands of dollars for air fare to fly people such as Chief Looking Horse over to Sweden would have done so much better by donating that money for fuel assistance for the upcoming winter, for personal items, clothing, pot, pans - household goods that the people so desperately need. Instead, everyone seems to be more concerned with making a name for themselves and that helps no one but them."

Sounds like nafps by to a T
Tuesday Sep 4th, 2007 4:54 PM
"Sexual assault is not about needing a sexual outlet, but rather about the need to exert power, control, and humiliation over another." "Sexual gratification is often not the primary reason, whereas desire for control, power and dominance frequently is." Sounds like nafps to a T ! Being a "Mescalero Apache" to a non native following offers a position of power and dominance. This position is available to almost any Mexican who has studied Native American history willing to play the part . Non native people don't know what the real thing is supposed to look like, so no real qualifications are required . This position of power is very enticing and does attract people who are looking for control , power and dominance . For people who were sexually abused by a "medicine man" the opportunity to have this power over anybody practicing "medicine" can be very tempting . It is not uncommon for this to become abusive .


NAFPS is not a First Nation Advocacy Group, they have no tribal affiliations and act badly by QO
Tuesday Sep 4th, 2007 3:41 PM
Dr. Al Carrol nor NAFPS has any First Nation affiliation nor any tribal affiliation. They have misused their opportunities with their website to run abusive campaigns against anyone they dislike or disapprove. This includes bonafide Native American Spiritual leaders or cerimonial leaders that include non-Natives in their practices. NAFPS has no entitlement to claim any authority or special knowledge of who and what has rights to Native America they have shown by their own behavior that they cannot be trusted to honestly live up to their self proclaimed mandate to abuse only non-Natives and call real Native Spiritual leaders frauds.


Spirits for sale
SPIRITS FOR SALE CONTROVERSYby ElizabethMonday Aug 27th, 2007
What this debate seems to have established is the hidden ideological agenda and motives for these attacks on John LeKay and mostly upon Looking Back Woman is because of a so called “proclamation”, regarding the exploitation of ceremonies by a Lakota elder named Chief Arvol Looking Horse , whom Al Carroll and Annika Banfield are heavily promoting in Europe and all around the world in books and a film called Spirits for Sale. See film participants
http://web.mac.com/spiritsforsale/iWeb/Webbplats%202/Participants.html
The inherent problem with this film is that serious allegations have been made regarding two of the main interviewees in this film. One being a man named Al Carroll who claims he is of mescalero apache descent but has unable to provide evidence to authenticate this claim. He is also included in a book alongside Trisha Jacobs They Call Us Indians. This person also claims to be of Cherokee descent. See here
http://www.trishajacobs.com/ who is also a current NAFPS member. This book with two others is also marketed by the same Swedish filmmaker Annika Banfield. http://www.world-foundation.nu/ who is a NAFPS member along with Al Carroll, Trisha Jacobs. Al Carroll has recently represented Chief Arvol Looking Horse (without his consent) in an attempt to shut down Heyoka magazine and to remove any criticism of himself, Arvol Looking Horse, Annika Banfeild and this Film and their respective organizations: ‘World In Our Hands’, ‘Wolakota’, and NAFPS.
The second major problem with this film is that a raging controversy is taking place among the Lakota people concerning serious allegations towards Chief Arvol Looking Horse.
http://www.dlncoalition.org/dln_issues/pipecommercialized.htm http://www.dlncoalition.org/dln_issues/selling_indian_culture.htm#articles http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1296.0
As a result of the timing of the serious nature of this controversy and these outstanding allegations, the ethical step for Swedish film maker Annika Banfied would be to take affirmative action and edit both of these accused men from this film until this matter is resolved.
We ask that you take the perfect example of the moral and righteous action as when Heyoka magazine editor, John LeKay, removed Looking Back Woman’s interview from Heyoka magazine along with some others until more clarity has been brought to this situation.
We humbly ask that Aniika Banfleid remove the interview with Arvol Looking Horse and Al Carroll from this film Spirits for Sale.
We ask that a disclaimer is made regarding these serious allegations, knowing that there is potential that this film will only play into the hands of new age exploiters, hucksters, scam artists, new age interfaith religions and financial marketers; that this film in effect will have the reverse action of its stated intention and will make a mockery out of the exploitation of ceremonies; that this film will set a negative double-standard and by doing so will only seriously damage the Native Americans across the United Sates and from all nations.
Elizabeth, for concerned Citizens for Native American Exploitation and Abuse

Oglala Lakota Says:
September 14th, 2007 at 4:07 am
Elizabeth:
I am an enrolled member of the Oglala Nation, Pine Ridge, South Dakota. Your assessment of the film and it’s subsequent censorship is extremely justifiable. I fully support your endeavor in having Al Carroll removed from the film. His website, nafps.org has been shut down several times for slander, libel and identity theft.
Mr. Carroll has never been able to prove that he is in fact a member of the Mescalero Apache. The man is for all intent and purpose a fraud. The film needs to be shelved for it disrespects the true nature of Lakota spirituality. I implore all American Indians and those who truly support Indians to protest “Spirits for Sale”.


What is going on here?
by Tired of the Insults
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Tom Cook or who-ever you really are ------ WHAT'S THIS ALL ABOUT??? We have actually taken the time to look at Heyoka magazine --- and completely disagree with you. The magazine has nothing to do with your assumptions!!! You obviously haven't spent any time perusing the magazine. If you had, you would have seen that Heyoka is about ART --- painting, sculpture, photography, music, dance, poetry, performance, journalism, fashion, film, philosophy, human rights issues, environmental concerns, social and political concerns and spiritual well being. It is all the things that YOU ARE NOT. It is probably not in your sphere of comprehension to read poetry or to look at a beautiful painting or a work of sculpture. Just shut your trap! You don't have a clue of what Heyoka is because you haven't even looked at it. A lot of the artists in the magazine are world renowned. But of course, you probably wouldn't know who any of them were would you? You don't have any iota of what Heyoka magazine is because you are perpetually spinning in your own web of deceitful lies and propaganda. GIVE US ALL A BREAK AND JUST SAY WHO YOU ARE AND STOP RANTING AND RAVING ABOUT WHITE SUPREMACY AND RACISM. Your derogatory comments and abusive language are pathetic! Who do you think you are anyway? We are getting a very clear picture on this end and it's disturbingly UGLY. From what we are gathering -- you are projecting your own racist feelings about the Native Indians. Your heart is filled with venom and you are CRAZED by it! The perception here is that you are so full of JEALOUSY and ENVY about Heyoka magazine that you just can't think straight. You are not making any sense at all! For some reason you are completely obsessed with distorting the truth about Heyoka magazine and what it really is about. What are you so afraid of? We have read some interesting postings about Al Carroll and his website that implicates him and his crew in a very negative light. Why is it that you are not talking about these issues; they seem to concern the movie "Spirits for Sale".
We want the truth!



Mister
by Harmony
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There is a fundamental weakness in Native American Consumer Advocacy Groups and they will continue to fail until that weakness is addressed. That weakness is that rez ndn's choose to demonize legitimate off rez ndn peoples who for various reasons, mostly historical reasons, do not qualify as citizens of their nations. There are a great number of non-enrolled off rez ndn people who do posess the culture and lifeways of their ancestors. These are respectful people who live as ndn despite the denials and hostility of their rez brothers and sisters. These ndn people are treated with the same disdain and hostility as new age frauds. This qualifies as agressive ignorance. These actions are harmful because they fail to fully recognize the depth of the effect that the policies of genocide and it's historical aftermath have had on ndn peoples. Instead of taking the time and making an honest effort to look at the history of each individual tribe and the effect that genocide has had on it's people, the typical Native American Consumer Advocacy Group condems "all" off rez non-enrolled ndn people as new age wannabees. By doing so the Native American Consumer Advocacy Groups actually support genocide against their own people by attempting to deny their existence and "cleanse" non-enrolled ndn people out of existence. So in reality these groups have placed themselves at the forefront of genocide. It is unfortunate that the true exploiters of ndn culture get lost in the careless mindset of ndn on ndn genocide. I can predict with accuracy that the first thing that will come to a rez ndn's mind regarding my comments is denial. That denial is no different than the white man's denial. It is the same. It is just another form of genocide. Native American Consumer Advocacy groups fail because the exist devoid of moral standing. Extremism is blind.



LIBEL AND DEMOCRACY

When public men indulge themselves in abuse, when they deny others a fair trial, when they resort to innuendo and insinuation, to libel, scandal, and suspicion, then our democratic society is outraged, and democracy is baffled. J. William Fulbright 7 LAWS OF NAFPS 1. NAFPS gives no person a fair trial. 2. They are tried and executed in most cases behind the persons back. 3. They do not even have the common decency to alert the person they are gossiping and libeling. 4. Like cowards they resort to using pseudonyms. 5. If confronted or challenged the person is attacked, insulted, libeled some more. 6. Then their words are distorted and deleted. 7. Then they are libeled more on forums like this.




Tommy Lightning Bolt's Interview on Al Carroll

JL: I recently discovered a website entitled New Age Fraud and Plastic Shamans. In the "about us page" Dr Al Carroll states
"Native belief systems are COMMUNAL, not focused on the individual's faith like Christianity, and are TRIBE-SPECIFIC. There is NO "generic Indian" form of spirituality. There are as many differences from tribe to tribe as there are between Hinduism and the Church of England. No one would think of teaching those two as the same and calling them "Indo-European," yet many of these FRAUDULENT operators teach a thrown together mishmash of bits and pieces of different beliefs.TRADITIONAL elders are very cautious about changing rituals and mixing different customs, it does happen, of course, but only after lengthy discussions that can take decades. FRAUDULENT operators are very casual and haphazard in what they do, in a manner that shows they have no understanding of or respect for the sacred.TRADITIONAL elders DO NOT believe that any ceremony can be done by anyone who feels like it. It's that same caution and respect for the sacred. Yet these FRAUDULENT operators will let anyone do their inaccurate version of a ceremony if they have the money. Vision quests, for example, are intended for young boys age 12 to 14, but boys don't have much money, so these FRAUDULENT operators sell "quests" for hundreds or thousands to mostly middle-aged men and women.
There is also the matter of telling people they can be shamans and charging them for it. If you were interested in Judaism, would you pay money to someone who said he could make you a rabbi in just one weekend seminar? If someone did this and then claimed Jewish objections were foolish, we would recognize he was anti-Semitic. Think about the lack of respect these operators show to native people and beliefs, and to their own followers, by defrauding people.
Native people DO NOT use the label "Shaman."

JL: What are your thoughts on this?

TLB: It is true that Native American People don't generally use the term "Shaman", but in today's world it is a term most can understand. It is generic at best. The word "Shaman" is actually Russian, it comes from Siberia, it means "teacher", but is being used as a slang term for someone able to dance between the physical world and the spiritual world.
And for those who don't know it the term "Medicine Man" is also NOT Native American. But again, in today's world these are terms more understandable. When I used the term "Shaman's death" in my C.D. bio it was metaphoric, all though I did say "literally". You have to understand what a Shaman's death is, and it is really messy, it is not a pretty picture. but the experience I endured really was a "Shaman's death", and it was done the "old way", and I almost died physically. My teacher told me "you can try to explain to the people what you went through, but they will never understand".



As for the selling of ceremony, this is VERY tragic. I would NEVER sell ceremony. And for those who do I say this; These kinds of powers come from the Great Creator and are loaned to us, they do not belong to us. And if they do not belong to us then how can a person sell it?
My teacher does not advocate and has taught me to not advocate the selling of ceremony. THE POWER OF THE GREAT SPIRIT IS NOT FOR SALE! It is traditional to present tobacco when asking a Medicine carrier for help and should be followed with a gift (what ever that may be) but the medicine carrier is not the one to dictate what that gift is, for to do so is to set a "price" on the ceremony. I do know of true medicine people who sell ceremony and I have no respect for them. I also know fraudulent people who sell ceremony and I have less than no respect for them. BUT YOU WONT FIND ME SMEARING THEM, that is not my place. Creator will expose them in his own time and way. If people take it in to their own hands to "expose" fraudulent people then they are putting themselves in the place of the Great Creator, Woah be it to them. And if they think they can do this by throwing dirt from someone's past on the front page of the tabloids I have news for them, there is dirt behind behind EVERY human being that has ever lived, including these fraud hunters (who cowardly wont say their real names). Why should Medicine carriers be any different? Medicine carriers after all are human like every one else, they make mistakes too! But these people are exploiting this fact to try to debunk truly holy people! People need to quit putting medicine carriers on a pedestal, and in a box.
As for mixing traditions, so many true medicine carriers have learned from many different teachers. When you go to school do you have just one teacher? No, you have many teachers. Some medicine carriers travel all over the country training under many people. This makes them more rounded Medicine carriers, and if some one from a specific tribe comes to them for help then they will have a better sensitivity and understanding as to what that individual needs and how to help them.


The truth is that the power for these ceremonies, of any tribe, comes from the same place, Creator! I see so often that people want "Spirit" to show up, and when it does, they try to dictate the terms in which it manifests! People are "people" not "human beings", this earth needs more "Human Beings", and their IS a difference. People try to put a Medicine carrier in their stereo typical "box". You can't put spirit in a box or the servants of creator in a box. The whole idea of mysticism is to think "out side" the box!!


JL: What are your thoughts on this below posted on this same forum?
What We Do & How We Differ From Nuage FraudsNo one at NFPS has ever:-- sold ceremonies, workshops, seminars, healings, readings, "asteroid avoidance courses" (yes, some frauds actually do), or anything else like that.-- claimed to be a medicine man, elder, healer, wiseman, "don", "ascended master", "avatar", holy man, or anything else that frauds claim to be.-- claimed to be descended from Geronimo, Chief Joseph, Black Elk, Crazy Horse, etc. or to "channel" or be the "reincarnation" of those same famous people.-- told the gullible, vulnerable, and desperate that they had to put out to take part in a made up ceremony, give head, be sodomized, whipped, and even pay to be sexually abused. No one at NAFPS ever molested children as part of their roles as alleged "great leaders".-- lied or deceived for a living; formed a cult around themselves; threatened lawsuits at anyone that disagreed with them or tried to isolate the people who listen to them from other people, often breaking up families in the process.-- regarded selling spirituality and pay-to-pray scams as an acceptable way to make a buck (often tens or even hundreds of thousands of them).

TLB: First of all, I personally do not approve of selling ceremony, nor have I EVER sold or EVER will sell ceremony. I do think that it is spiritually wrong. How ever just because someone may sell ceremony does not necessarily make them phony, it throws into question their ethics. I have never conducted workshops or seminars. I am not allowed to openly teach just anyone. And would someone please explain to me what an "asteroid avoidance course" is! PLEASE tell me they are joking!! Secondly, as for claiming to be a medicine man ect... didn't Black Elk say he was a medicine man and talk about medicine in a public forum, along with many other "Untouchables" (people beyond reproach) Fools Crow, Geronimo, Lame Deer ect... ? Third, If you are the descendant of someone famous you cant share that? You cant honor your ancestors? What kind of garbage is that? And most of the order of medicine carriers I was made a part of are "Ancients", they have been walking this continent for thousands and in some cases millions of years. Those people at NAFPS don't have the first clue about true mysticism. There are documented cases of mystics being able to "Bi-Locate" (to be in two places at the same time)! My point being is that if some one such as my teacher reveals himself to be Fools Crow it CAN be real! Several people I know have told me that Fools Crow has come to different people in different TIMES throughout history. Does that make him phony? I think people better have some respect for the sacred themselves and stop pointing the finger and clean up their own side walk first! Fourth, Sexual abuse is one of the most hurtful and longest lasting forms of abuse on the planet, and people who do this are way beyond "in trouble". I would never do this kind of thing for I know what it is like to be a survivor. Nor would I "get involved" with anyone I was doctoring. My teacher told me this is an ethical boundary that should never be crossed, and I know in my heart he is right.


I have seen people make up these kind of allegations also, and they do because they are such lethal character assassination darts, which is why they use them. And I have seen some of these allegations be proven wrong as blatant lies and still the lies get spread. People of all walks of life abuse and I feel it is VERY wrong, there is too much hurt on this planet. Fifth, These people are lying on that web site about some good people. I am not saying that everyone on that site that is listed as fraudulent is not "fraudulent", I am saying that not every one on that site that is listed as fraudulent is fraudulent and I know this for a fact, my self included. I do not approve of "cult followings". As for law suits, people have a right to defend themselves from attack, character assassination and blatant lies. These kind of lies that these people are spreading break up families, which makes NAFPS hypocrites and two faced. Sixth, It is never o.k. to sell ceremony or make a living in this manner. If you are true to your path, and walk it in a good way, Creator will provide in his own way all that you NEED, not WANT. A friend said to me "A righteous man needs for not, for if you live righteously all that you need will be provided for you by God".
Now lets talk about what these "fraud hunters" ARE doing. Defamation of character, slander, libel, character assassination, gossip mongering, lying, (by the way didn't these same kind of people do these same kinds of things to Jesus?) hiding behind a web site to afraid to say their true names while trying to destroy true servants of the Great Creator and doing the work of the "dark ones", and taking sadistic pleasure in it in the process. And by the way, Why did they attack you John? True spiritual people encourage people to ask questions, not invade their privacy by throwing their home address on the internet. These people are "people" not "human beings" they have a lot of learning to do and growing up to do, they are acting like they are on the elementary school playground.



JL: Yes funny you ask. Im not sure exactly but It started when someone posted a feed entitled "disturbing" then AlCarroll/Educated Indian and Barnaby McEwan (Administrator) added their comments. Then I responded in agreement saying yes it is disturbing and listed my reasons why I agreed. For some strange reason they perceived me as promoting the people I Interviewed. Which I explained I was not and was just asking objective questions. I'm not anyone's PR person.
What I do see is a pattern that Al Carroll/educated Indian attacks anyone who seems to not to fit into his compartment of what he believes an authentic medicine man should be. It looks like he took it upon himself to be the new age Tomás de Torquemada. "The hammer of heretics".
Another reason is Kevin Annett. The priest up in Canada I interviewed who brought to light the rape, torture and the murders of 50,000 native residential schoolchildren. The only other native person I can think of that has a problem with this is a well known police agent up in Canada. That AIM and Sea Shepherd Society outed. Now why would anyone have a problem with bringing murderers and pedophiles to justice? Its interesting because these self proclaimed newage busters criticize someone for selling a dream catcher, but if you're a human rights activist like Kevin Annett and is breaking up pedophile rings, you get called revolting and exploitive by Al Carroll and especially Barnaby McEwan See Kevin Annett's film here
unrepentant
In my opinion Kevin Annett deserves a Nobel peace prize and his film unrepentant an Academy award for best new documentary and not this newagefraud nonsense. This is someone who has devoted his whole life to this and has basically sacrificed everything for this cause. He has not made a single penny on it.

What was also fascinating was as soon as I got too close to the truth, Al Carroll would immediately delete it and insert artificial comments about what I had just said. In some cases the exact opposite and then proceeded to tell me that the worst insult of all American native insults is to tell some one "you behave as if you have no family" I then told him Im not insulted at all and at that point he deleted my password.


He did this especially towards the end of the disturbing post. For example when I told him what I thought his website was really lacking so he deleted it.
Then I told him this and he deleted that too and to reductio ad absurdum.

He does comes across as if he wants to start a race war. He keeps on saying we are not racist, in every other sentence on his" who we are" page as if he thinks if he keeps saying this enough times he will start to believe his we are not racist mantra and self hypnosis. Out of 110 interviews I have conducted, he basically harps on three or four like a broken record. He says I promoted one medicine man he accuses of committing rape, six months after I interviewed him. Another he calls a "twisted haired pervert" I have never even heard off. Then he writes a blog on indianz.com and throws in Ward Churchill and 911 conspiracy theories and ultra left wing politics into the mix and jumbles it all up and talks about my bowler hat.

Its interesting because it looks like obvious projection. Just in case anyone doesn't know, psychological projection (or projection bias) is a defense mechanism in which one attributes to others one’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts or/and emotions. Projection reduces anxiety by allowing the expression of the unwanted subconscious impulses/desires without letting the ego recognize them. I wrote this. He deleted it. Said it was "psychobabble'.


What I really found interesting was that no one was able to answer why a heyoka like John Fire Lame Deer was in the American church and taking peyote either. Or why was Black Elk was a catholic and also medicine man? Or why Fools Crow was also a Bahai. The other thing that gave him away as when I found out he viciously attacked a senior citizen who went on his site to defend herself for practicing shamanism.

TLB: I noticed that those people pulled down some of your posts. Especially the ones that you so eloquently wield the sword of truth. When you wield the sword of truth people like that run scurrying like rats with their tails between their legs! As to the "box" people havethis distorted version of what a medicine man should be, as if they are above making mistakes. I will be the first person to say that I have made mistakes, but I have LEARNED from them and they have made me a much better human being. I will quote a friend and what he said to me (with permission):



I WANT a medicine man that has made mistakes, someone who has been there, who has had life experiences. Someone that I can relate to. Someone I can respect. To me, a flawless medicine man is phony.


M. Gutherie -OjibwayPeople like NAFPS don't have the first clue as to what it means to be a "human being". They are so miserable in their own lives that they have to try to make other people miserable too so they are not alone in their own misery. The actual truth is these people need prayers, they are sick. I will pray for them that they may come to understand the meaning of what it means to be a human being. These people are ignorant and conceited and when they point the finger they forget there are three fingers pointing back at them. This is EXACTLY what Fools Crow meant when he said "those who complain about people giving away medicine secrets know the least"! People who try to sabotage the servants of Creator are showing their own ignorance as to the work of Wakan Tanka.
And if they open their mouths it becomes even more obvious. As for a peyote eating Heyoka like Lame Deer, people don't understand again that spirit can be found ANYWHERE if you are sincere and true in heart. Or Black Elk being Catholic, or Fools Crow being Bahai AND a devout Catholic! IT IS ALL THE SAME GOD, ALL THE SAME SPIRIT!!! PEOPLE PLEASE OPEN UP YOUR MINDS (it wont hurt I promise)!!!!
If these NAFPS people want to look for frauds they should check out the mental health community! Psychiatrists and Psychologists are some of the biggest scam artists on the planet, with their "theories" and bogus "medications" that can cause SUICIDE! In fact NAFPS should especially check out their medication for "delusional thinking", "grandiose ideation", "psychotic symptoms" and "paranoia", it sounds like these people may have an axis 2 diagnosis, and an axis 1 diagnosis to boot! In fact If they are having mental health issues maybe they are "shamans" and know it, and are afraid of it and this is why they do what they do!
The nafps is the internet's version of the Ku Klux Klan.the Nafps slander any true Medicine Man and human being who is not in their pocket, and black mail Medicine Men,(do as we say or we will ruin you!)"


A brother in the Mii-Dii-Wii-An (The great Medicine Society) has said this about this issue: Are these people working for the C.I.A., or F.B.I., or something else? The old smear campaign against medicine people, divide and conquer concept. Who made these people God? How are they qualified to sit on judgment on anyone? Who qualified them, the evil spirits, powers, and forces...or the Government? As they sit in judgment a much higher court is judging them!
I will quote something that A true medicine Man said to one of his students that I have found to be profoundly true.


"This is not your choosing. You don't have the right or authority to interfere with what the great spirit has decided. You were chosen to be a Medicine man long before you came into this body on this earth. You have a duty and a responsibility to follow the calling. If not you will hurt your family, your people, and the spiritual function and design of the Universe. Sure, it's a tough life. Your own Indian people will make fun of you, they will talk bad about you, they will probably even call you a phony or something. But the Great Creator Knows, The mother Earth knows, your relations in Nature know, the numerous people from all walks of life you will help, heal and teach will know; and you will know. That is all that really matters. And when things get tough in life you will just have to grin and bear it. That is one of the ways for a true Medicine Man. You take on the suffering, the fear, the hate, the anger, the pain, the confusion, and the sickness of the people. That is why you are different. And you can't run and hide from it. You were put here on the Earth to do a job for the Great Creator. Like it or not, you've got to be strong and just do it."



JL: Yes agree with that. I recently discovered that the BIA in Mescarlero New Mexico knows nothing about Al Carroll. Apparently he is not an enrolled, affiliated or is recognized by members of the Mescaleo apache tribe. They checked the records going back 125 years. No one else seems to have heard of this man either. There are many legitimate reasons not to be enrolled, but in his case its a weak defense and the fact that he uses an insult about Geronimo on his bio Goyathlay "one who yawns" isn't helping his case either.
www.americanindianprisoners.com/Pages/Al%20Carroll.htm That's what the US Calvary used to mock him. To Insult him when they locked him up in prison and after violating the treaties. That's more like something that would come out of the mouth of a member of the Scull and Bones Society. Not a PhD apache college professor. This is what set of a serious red flag.

TLB: It figures!! I rest my case! These people don't have a clue because they are not true. In fact these people are largely "behaving as if they have no family"! HOWEVER, I do know native people who do not have "cards" some little white man card that says "Yes this person is Indian". But clearly some one who is not even enrolled should not besaying as "fact" that this person or that person is a "fraud". But bottom line is NO ONE has that right. I will say for myself to the people here and now, "I wouldn't recommend taking my word for it that I carry medicine, and I wouldn't recommend taking these peoples word for it that I or other people on their "fraud" list don't carry medicine. I recommend that you FIND OUT FOR YOURSELF! I recommend that you listen to your OWN heart. PRAY to Wakan Tanka (Creator), ASK Creator for guidance. The saying IS true, ask and you shall receive, knock and the doors will be opened unto you."-Lightning Bolt


JL: Yes. So you never have done any of the things these newagefraud people have accused you off. Sold ceremony, healings etc.

TLB: NO! Certainly NOT! Never. If I was to sell ceremony then I may as well shoot myself, because if I was to sell ceremony all that I am would be dead already. I honor the gifts of Wakan Tanka (Creator). I do not exploit them. My true teacher said that people who sell ceremony are selling their power, it is their power in the sense that they have the power to harness the powers of Wakan Tanka the Great Spirit. I don't sell out on my creator. I love Wakan Tanka too much for that. And despite the "Wolves in sheep's clothing" who are saying these terrible things about true servants of the Great Spirit I will unwaveringly hold on to my faith in Creator.
I encourage the people to look at what one of my elders said regarding how often these "fraud hunters" make accusations of some kind of sexual misconduct and ask yourselves why? These "fraud hunters" who have the audacity to think that they are "helping" the people by exposing these so called "frauds" just because a medicine person doesn't fit in to their tiny little box, to bear this in mind, The road to hell is paved with good intentions! What is going to happen I wonder when these "fraud hunters" end up at some point in their life when they need help and no one is around to help them except one of these servants of Creator that they have smeared?



The part that concerns me the most is that some one who may need help AND IS WORTHY OF HELP may take these evil lies to heart and not ask the one person at the right time, at the right place, who could of helped them and not receive the healing that they DESERVED, in which case the karmic backlash of this will land on the heads of these so called "fraud hunters". Brothers and sisters of the Mii-Dii-Wii-An (The Great Medicine Society) I bring you this message to Take heart! Please don't loose faith in the Great Creator, or stop helping the people over these smear campaigns. We have survived for hundreds and hundreds of years, we will continue to survive as long as we hold onto Wakan Tanka (the Creator)! I love you, I pray with you, and for you, I support you, I bleed with you, I cry with you, I hold you in my heart along with Creator. Keep up the Great work! Creator will deal with these with these evil people in his time and in his way. I love you! Please take Care of the people, and yourselves, they are counting on us!


Mitakuye Oyas'in (All My Relations)

Lightning Bolt
www.lightningboltchichakos.com

Robin's Interview on Al Carroll

John LeKay: When did you first hear about NAFPS and why did you join this group?

Robin: I first heard about the NAFPS through a member of their group. It was my first time that I had ever gone into a forum on the internet. When I first went into the forum, it was very foreign in the sense that there were many names of people in research and frauds, that I had never heard of. I tried to read through as many posts as I could to grasp what the main focus of the group was. However, I myself had a specific role to play when I joined the NAFPS and that was to involve myself on the inside of a group called the CKY to expose who and what the group was, to obtain as much information on the individuals as possible, especially those that held the ranks of what they called "priests, clan mothers, and chiefs".

JL: After reading the numerous posts in the so called "research" and in "fraud" columns, what was your initial gut reaction, your intuition telling you about to what you had read?

Robin: As I began to read through the posts on groups or individuals, I saw a pattern within the group which I had discussed with another member, and that was; for the number of members that were in the group, I saw only a small handful that posted or responded. Those that posted would sometimes cut and paste emails of outside individuals, without any substantial proof the person existed or what they said was truth. Most of the postings were based on mainly links provided, which many times led to more hearsay of others. Some links did provide, in reading, show that the the group or individual proven evidence that the public should be wary of. Also, I became aware that it was common practice that if a post was made of an individual or group, it was bombarded by several posts of accusations, hearsay, at times much deletion and editing (and in reading what was deleted or such that the person defending themselves did not write things that warranted such editing nor deletion). This reminded me of seeing a child in a school yard being ganged up by several children. These were usually posted as "childish behavior, insults, racial remarks" to give a few examples that were and still are used; giving the impression to many reading the post that the person defending themselves are viewed as a guilty person through unfounded remarks. When nothing more could be said, then another post would be started on a new subject or person. I, myself, saw a small portion of the many posts where someone from the group actually went out and gathered facts that were of credence.My own personal feelings on the matter was that I was involved within a group that was damaging people that may not have deserved what was printed about them. I knew that the nafps was not what it appeared and before Mr. Carroll and I had a disagreement, I had already made the decision to leave the group

JL: What conclusion did you draw as to what this group was about?

Robin: My conclusion of the group as a whole is based on not my opinion but facts. The whole system of the nafps is based on emotions of dysfunction, there are contradictions; much are based on "do as I say, not as I do". The group as a whole consists of white people that have little to no knowledge of native people and customs, except through books, cyberspace, and limited contact with native people. When there has been in the group - actual tribal members - when expressing their view on something, in most cases have been brushed aside or attacked. What is held sacred in the group is not that of native culture, but moreso of themselves and their beliefs on how native people should act or behave according to their standards. This is not a group that base their foundation on native culture, but that of personal beliefs of what they have either read, or picked up small bits of information from actual native people. The saying that some people know enough to make them dangerous, in this case it would rightly apply.

JL: Why did you have a disagreement with Mr. Carroll?

Robin: There had been communications between Al Carrol and myself about the CKY, and what I was going to do. Once I joined into the CKY group, I tried to converse with as many people as I could to gather whatever information I could. The CKY based their beliefs on new age of Atlantis with a mix of Mayan, very little Cherokee and other beliefs that were totally made up by members. As soon as I joined I was told I would call Jerry Edwards along with other male members "priests". I replied that if I was to follow "traditions" then they should do the same and speak to me only through my husband and not myself directly. This angered Jerry Edwards but not to the degree of kicking me out. About the third day of being a member, I had received a phone call stating there was a picture of me and a map of my location on their web page. I immediately emailed them and told them if they did not remove it I would contact the police and FBI.Within 2 weeks I received a letter from an attorney representing them with unethical threats. In first reading it, I thought it was a joke, due to the stationary used, the way the letter was worded unlike all the attorneys I know. So I called the attorney and it was not until I left a message that I was calling the bar association then did he return my call. In my conversation with him, he was very vague unlike the accusations that were stated in the letter. In the meantime I did begin the process to file a complaint against the attorney.I had retained an attorney in Ky. that would take the case. I had received a letter from Al Carroll that backed up what my case was based on. In the meantime, Al Carroll had posted on his site through a cut and paste that one of the members of the CKY was going to join the group, this person named Starr was one that was involved in the case we were building against the CKY and had given Edwards' attorney false information about me.When reading the post from Al Carroll in his group it as I said was a cut and paste of a letter that was to appear to be that of Starr. In his posting he said that Starr had seen the wrongs by the Edwards and was now going to join the nafps. This became a contradiction, and also a conflict of interest concerning my case against the Edwards, Starr and their attorney. When I stated to Al Carroll he was wrong for allowing her into the group at that time, I felt he was slapping me in the face as I stated to him. His response which he has now removed from the nafps board, but I have a copy of , was of this" did you not forget that you yourself was once a delusional and confused woman that was a member of the CKY"? This statement that he made was a means to validate what he was doing. And to make it appear that I was actually a real member of the CKY but had come to my senses and was converted into exposing frauds.So I posted emails between he and I showing what he was saying was not the truth, that he was compromising my case by changing his story of what the truth was. He deleted many of them shortly after I posted them. In his personal emails to me, he thought I was wrong for being angry, that what he had posted should have no bearing on my case( which in fact one of the strongest points in my case were based on what Al Carroll had stated in a letter to the bar association and the public) That I was disrespecting him, and then continued with emails with taunts. However he had for whatever reason changed his mind and instead posted that I myself was nothing more than a confused woman involved in a fraud group.Since that time he announced that this woman "Starr" had joined the nafps she made a intro post on July 12, 2006, but has never made any other posts or replies in the nafps.It was also at that time he was attacking Scarlett Kinney. She and I had come to an understanding of each other through mutual respect. I had read her site and in communication understood what she was trying to accomplish and that perhaps I could share some stories with her and some personal insight. This is by far selling out my traditions as stated by Al Carroll this past April in a group forum in Tennessee.I myself have been very busy and involved this past year with children that have been given up by their biological mothers and are wards of the state. My husband and I took a newborn in last July and just recently finalized the adoption. We are not licensed foster parents and do not receive any kind of assistance nor state aid for what we do, it comes from our pockets. As I stated to Al when he made the post that yes I was selling, but not traditions, I was selling my personal belongings to pay for the attorney fees in the adoption, and if he liked to go on ebay and see what I was selling, had sold and perhaps maybe he would buy something that would be making a positive contribution to a child that needed a good stable home. In the adoption process you must go through several background checks, criminal, physical, and psychological. My husband and I both passed and in fact it was recommended to the judge through these background checks that the process waive the 6 month grace period. If I was a unstable person or a person of questionable character I would not have been granted the adoption. That in itself shows the untruths that Al Carroll has said about me.

I have not had time to doing nothing more than care for children. No where have I sold out traditions, nor made public appearances in regards to ceremonies or teachings of traditions. Al Carroll posted under a unknown name, "That I had sold out to white exploiters" was traced to the Jordan School District in San Antonio, Texas. His posting of untruths about me has not come from research, but through words like that of a little boy that needs attention, whether it be good or bad. what is interesting about all this, I am not a public figure in no way whatsoever, I am a housewife, mother, grandmother nothing more. I have nothing to gain in the public's opinion of lying. The public opinion is not a priority in my life, what is, are the children I take in and care for.

JL: Were you also attacked by other members of the NAFPS group or just Al Carroll?

Robin: The dynamics within the group if attacks occur usually fall into the hands of two people, Al Carroll and Moma Porcupine. But if there were a conflict with Al Carroll, I believe that in my situation, if some did not agree with how Al handled the situation, they would not nor did they speak up on the matter. In fact is was quiet the opposite, no one spoke on the matter. It is more an attitude of sweep it under the rug and pretend it doesn't exist. And go on to the next subject. However I did forward an email to Barnaby from Al Carroll and I did this only to prove in fact I was truthful in the matter. The answer that came back from him was, " what do you want me to do about it?" In sending it I already knew that I would receive a response that would be of an answer such as that.

I did receive a personal email from Annika asking me to reconsider leaving the group, pointing to me that perhaps "Starr" was a changed person and should be given the chance to prove it. But she also stated that if "Starr" was not, it would be easy to see if it was more of a way for a fraud to come into the group to create discord. I did not have it in me to tell her, that I thought Al only wanted everyone to think "Starr" was part of nafps, for the reason which if looking at it from the outside view, was to get drama and more readers in the room at the time. This is also another tactic used to bring people in to read, to create sensational reading. But what it really is, a form of personality dysfunction.When it comes to confronting Al when he is wrong, there is no objectivity there within the group. It is a matter if you read the many posts he makes, you will not find any in the group that will voice or posts anything that might be in disagreement with what he says.

And if one does, the pattern is Moma Porcupine will come in and attack the person, then Al may come in with passiveness,. However they seem to tag team who is good cop / bad cop. Never do they log into the nafps at the same time. In fact when reading some of her more recent posts, there has been a large difference in how she writes. Which is leading me to believe the Moma Porcupine is actually a man pretending to be a woman, or perhaps a man that is like a woman. If you take a closer look at the two main attackers, Al Carrol and Moma Porcupine, why do they do this? Because they have the most to loose on the board, and that is the board itself.I did feel some undertone attacks with Moma Porcupine at times, which I found somewhat puzzling. Because most of the time it was based on unimportant and unrelated issues that were borderline paranoia. Other than Al Carroll and Moma Porcupine there were no others that attacked me, yet no one made any attempts to defend me either. It reminded me much of a person walking down the street and is mugged, many people walk by yet do nothing, some of the reasons people do this is, do not care, do not want to get involved, or fear alone. There are undertones of fear in the forum, which do remind me of someone living with an alcoholic, there is fear of unpredictability of not knowing what the person will say or do. Always on guard to defend the perpetrator. For fear of being rejected, smeared, damaged or hurt in some way.

JL: Do you know if other members of the group were smeared, damaged or hurt for confronting Al Carroll.

Robin: Yes there have been other members in the nafps that have been attacked.

JL: Who is Moma Porcupine, who is Barnaby McEwan and who is Annika Banfield? Are these the primary players other than Al Carroll? What do they do besides posting on nafps? Where do they live and work?

RL: Momma Porcupine is anonymous. She gives no information of who or what she is, nor where she lives or what she does. I believe she is a man and is actually two different people posting under that name. She has no intro in the group. Barnaby, I can only say he lives in the U.K. what he does, I have no information other than that. Annika is a friend of Al Carroll's she lives in Sweden and has done filming on native American issues.

JL: Do you see a behavioral pattern as to the dynamics of the group? In other words is there internal email dialogue amongst each other as to how they will deal with a NAFPS dissident for example?

Robin: Yes, there are emails that are sent between members in regards to issues posted and how one may handle the situation, what could be said, what to do and not do.
If receiving e mails from Al Carroll stating that if I talked to certain individuals, that it would also make me a fraud. I would have to say yes. I received 3 emails from him in regards to who I talk to. I would like to leave it up to anyone that might read this to form their own opinion of how they would view this as an outsider what this would be considered as.

JL: Al Carroll has been unable to prove his apache origin. The fact is he he is not enrolled, recognized or affiliated with any apache tribe. Using his mathematics, couldn't Barnaby McEwan hippy from England also say he is part Mescarleo apache? So could Annika Banfield who is from Sweden? Why you believe he has not been able to prove who he is or what his roots are and what exactly do you think this would mean to most Native Americans?

Robin: Al Carroll in his own words has stated in his blog were two comments from two native ladies, one he names is Annika, the other Momma Porcupine. Annika I suppose would be native of Sweden, but not here in the states, and Moma Porcupine has stated herself she is not Native American, so I do not know what that statement would actually mean if it is in the terms as I just stated. Otherwise it is a fabrication of Al Carroll trying to pass them off as Native American women.

I have seen many friends that are Native American that were adopted out, yet have been able to find and locate their biological families.

I have a daughter-in-law, her father is Hispanic and her mother is Hispanic/native mix, yet she herself does not say she is Mexican/Native mix, she says she is Mexican.
I have seen many Hispanic people for whatever reason say they are native, but has no proof to their bloodline of being native. When a person states they are unenrolled this means 1) Their native roots go so far back that they do not qualify with a tribe according the the tribes Blood Quantum requirements, 2) They can not produce any family names that would link them to a tribe.

In most cases ( I underlined most because it is not implying all) people that are unenrolled under say the two examples I gave, having no knowledge of the culture, language or ceremonies, and in Al Carroll's case I have only seen him use Lakota words which that in itself says quiet a lot. It says he knows very little to none of his own culture that he proudly shouts out. Yet not proud enough to learn it. In my family there are 3 tribes, I myself can converse with all of them. I have been taught the languages, the customs, the ceremonies.
If Al Carroll can not prove he is Apache, nor speak the language, or even know some of the customs, the question would be why does he find it necessary to say he is Mexican/Apache? If you look at what he actually does, that in itself will answer the question.

JL: Do you know how the apache feel about some one who claims to be representing them and is attacking other tribes and medicine people and meddling in their business? What is this doing for intertribal relations?

Robin: I have one friend that is from the White Mountain Apache Tribe. We have discussed this issue in the past. It has angered her to see Mexican people state they are Apache. As she has said "none of them speak our language, what do they know about being Apache?"
I am not a member of the Apache and can not speak for them, but what I will say on the subject is that no tribe wants anyone that is not appointed to speak for them, speak out on matters that concern their traditions or culture.
John if I may put it this way, you are from England, is that correct? How would the people in England feel if someone from a foreign country set up a web site to discuss matters of the political, and religious practices of England? How many Catholic Popes have declared Kings and Queens of England to be heretics? It is the same mind set. Do foreigners have the right to appoint themselves to be over seers of other countries? No, just like in this case with the nafps they do not have the right to oversee matters that do not concern them, they do not live under the same laws as those on reservations. They do not live in the conditions, nor walk out of their homes every morning and deal with the issues that many on the reservations are dealing with on a daily basis. There may be one or two on the board that might live in the Native communities and deal with these issues, but it does not give them the right to speak on behalf of their tribe or other tribes. The native communities are filled with gangs, violence, poverty, abuse, homeless, jobless. The forum itself instead of focusing on a handful of frauds, they would be more constructive if they were working with the tribes to help the many overcome the issues that I have pointed out. It is very sad to see in a recent posting that one of their members who works with his tribe to cultivate their natural resources to improve his tribe and preserve for their youth's future, to be put under a microscope by Moma Porcupine and try to imply that he is exploiting his culture.

Read what
Martina Looking Horse, Arvol's sister has posted recently , in it she speaks about outsiders and the damage they have and are doing to the Lakota people. She herself along with many others do not want outside meddlers involved within the Lakota communities, customs or traditions. What would make the nafps exempt from this? Nothing, this includes all with no exceptions.

JL: Would you say that this group is doing more harm than good or vice versa?
Robin: I myself have seen very little positive come from the group. As a whole they may think they had done much good, however that is a state of denial that many of them are in. The tribes themselves are the ones that should and are handling frauds. To have people that are not enrolled in the tribes, having stepped out of their boundaries and have imposed themselves in matters that do not concern them is disrespecting the elders and traditions.

JL: Have you ever known this NAFPS group to retract their comments or humbly apologize to anyone?
Robin: I myself have never seen anyone apologize in a sincere or humbling manner. Nor have I seen anyone retract any comments made toward a person they were attacking.

JIMMY LA VALLEE LETTER ABOUT AL CARROLL


To John Le Kay, Editor Heyoka Magazine - July 03, 2007 - 2:00 pm CST – Jaye A. La ValleeI am writing about at the very least, an immoral act… a disturbing issue that has come directly from my being interviewed here in Heyoka Magazine. A person called Alton Carroll, is maliciously attacking me, personally and professionally.. He has gone as far as, posting what he thinks is my home address and he has caused others, as well as myself, deep concern… concern for our personal safety. I have recently seen how he is relentlessly and systematically… being savagely attacked by him and his group. As I read his postings that are sent to me, I see that his attack on me…you, and others, as well, is becoming more personal and more and more bizarre. I am deeply concerned about Carroll’s social terrorist style of character assassination. It appears as he has “no-social conscience” and that he has some morbid plan or agenda to destroy anyone connected to you… because he wants to disconnect anyone from ending the real reasons for the suffering of Native American people… it is like he’s killing the will… of anyone coming forward and being willing to trust the process or any other person, to ultimately live to heal and be free of dysfunction. He is blatantly disregarding, laughing at any responsibility of any collateral damage that results from his unsubstantiated attacks on anyone and that this damage is of no concern to him.


Like the infamous, home grown American terrorist, Timothy McVeigh, who on April 19, 1995, disturbingly rationalized, why when he bombed the government building in Oklahoma, that he killed 168 people, many children! He said that it was just collateral damage - the mass deaths (murders) of innocent people, who just happened to be around the area – they were just part of the result. The statistics of a criminal act. McVeigh had no social conscience about them! No responsibility! Why?? How??

Alton Carroll displays himself – as an anti-social, fearful and hateful racist person, who is capable and bent on destroying anyone who gets in his way! I, nor the people whom I help, are not collateral damage of the attacks by Doctorate Alton Carroll.

Who is Dr.Alton Carroll? Who is the new Age Fraud and the plastic Shaman hunter?
This is the person - Alton Carroll – an Apache and self-appointed Native American fraud and plastic shaman hunter. I mean no disrespect to any other Apache. And I do not judge any other Native American because of this man’s foul actions. I pray I do justice of my intent here. Others who have written before me, here, inspired me. First off, I do not know you John LeKay, nor have I ever met you before my interview here. And, I do not know Alton Carroll, in any way shape or form. I am stunned by his aggression and unprovoked attack. He has intentionally set in a motion of oppression.
Alton Carroll has attacked me, distorted my writings, and misrepresented my writings and my helping other. He has set incited and instigated violence towards me and towards my family by posting my address on the internet. He is making misleading, discrediting and degrading remarks about me, personally and my service work. I have read about others being attacked by this person… and I too…am being attacked -Simply because I was interviewed here in Heyoka Magazine and for linking to your magazine from my site -
spirit-warrior way I am
I write about healing and helping, I share my personal experience, listing my personal experience in getting healing and training - offering references, as well as, my alternative expertise with healing and helping all peoples to over-coming fear and mistrust of the present psycho-social mental-health system. I work in the mental health system and I do service work where I help mostly impoverished, many homeless people - mainly Native Americans… of which I am one! I spent all my life helping people, starting with my mom and dad… who were troubled in their life and whom I love with all my heart today. I shared about issues in my family of origin – again – in order to inspire others. Sadly, Alton Carroll tried to shame me, alluding to some “hidden” issue with my deceased Father, whom I spoke of in a truthful, healthy manner, here as well. Little does your hidden heart keep safe to hold – Alton Carroll? I speak of the truth of what afflicted me and my Mom and Dad – for healing, not maiming! I love them true today and myself.

For over 35 years, I have worked in the various capacities as a helper, protector, healer… as a core area crime prevention instructor, family violence prevention facilitator, juvenile corrections officer, First Nations education counsellor… as an ESI trained personal protection specialist, as a counsellor – as a personal development trainer, I helped. With qualified, professional help - therapy – no secrets – no shame - I made sense of my life-sufferings, through hundreds of days of therapy, with such reputable therapy centers as Onsite Training and Consulting in Tennessee, USA as well as others, of which I list on my site. I am proud to of my journey to healing and I have no shame in living for working to live healthy and well and I do help many others! I am credentialed, legally and lawfully, in order to work with vulnerable individuals, as I do in Mental Health Services, First Nations Foster Care and I have International Security clearance and always have had. I challenge you Alton Carroll- to publicly post here, to say – what have you done to resolve your troubled upbringing, other than, to maliciously attack others? I am Lakota, with pride, and as well, I carry blood of Ojibway and French, generation after generation! I am a Sundancer, I am a committed to being an advocate and healer/helper of anyone who asks for my assistance. I am 55 years winters here and any terroristic-type person like Alton Carroll does not silence me. It is disturbing, as well, how he uses convenient aspects of the systemic colonial criteria, that he purports to be advocating and guarding against to attack other he chooses and mixes fact with untruths. He does not express what is his tribal ceremonial background – if any? Does he follow Apache traditions or?He reminds me of shame by these attacks… they are all too common amongst - SOME - Native Americans, SOME of us, who are so shame-based and have so-much pent-up unresolved and disturbing anger and shame mixed-up... that mixes, explosively and dangerously… and comes out in this ugly lateral violence. Attacking, not helping, those similar to him. Attacking the very core of what we all struggle to heal from… only causing more fear and reluctance, mistrust – to get real help.I will not sit back another moment. The words of one great, great man empower me. He said,

"THE GREATEST SIN OF OUR TIMEIS NOT THE FEW WHO HAVE DESTROYED, BUT THE VAST MAJORITY WHO'VE SAT IDLY BY." Martin Luther King Jr.
It was SOME PEOPLE - sick, demented murderers of freedom, who killed this beautiful man called Martin Luther King Jr. because he stood up to stop a people killing other’s right to living free. I refer to this man because he is far more courageous that I have ever been – he stood up until the end of his life… he spoke out and they killed him!

I do not apologize for the directness of this hanging of dirty laundry… I apologize for Alton Carroll’s accusations of “being a racist” against you John LeKay. It is untrue. If others are to punished for walking or marching for truth and goodness then so be it… I walk with you! I make no excuse for Alton Carroll. He is held accountable… as I am – And that is why I speak of my personal life to encourage others to rise above shame and fear of reprisal for speaking out about hope and wish to make life better for self and others. Not to maim or hurt others into deadly silence… like Alton Carroll is doing! I need to say that I did sit back for some days now, seeing and processing what hurtfulness, he was doing… thinking that some one else would stand up to this mean spirited person… I shucked my own responsibility as a Sundancer, as a humanitarian, to stand for myself and for those who cannot defend themselves for whatever reason. Not anymore, will I do this!Alton Carroll is intentionally and fraudulently attacking people who dared to be associated with Heyoka Magazine and John LeKay. And I have seen his attacks – how and what he is doing and the consequence of engaging him and his gang on his nafps site. It is my hope that you print this letter in its entirety. I have been maliciously attacked and belittled by another Native American and I have witnessed disturb writings signed by and attributed to Alton Carroll aka “educatedindian” on his web site “nafps”.


As with you John LeKay, I have never met either one of you – ever! I do not know of Alton Carroll other than what I have read about here and from what I have seen on the WEB. These attacks are rot with a bizarre form of lateral violence as seen from the results of Indian colonialism and the affects of Indian residential / boarding schools. Alton Carroll, who refers to him self, as you do here in your article, as a “Doctor”! He also says that he is proud to be Native. He is an Apache – Mescalero. Is he really or shame based? This person is misleading people to think he is a “champion” of the little educated person. He has even chosen the moniker - "EDUCATED INDIAN" to add to his prowess on his site! This is where he leads some people to think that he is doing good to stop fraudulent people by writing unsubstantiated, sometimes vicious rumour-gossip, some blatant out right lies, as well as, hateful accusations… of racism… causes that appeal to some others who have been victimized in the past and who have not addressed the consequences of this abuse. I have seen where he has made such deeply contradictory and disparaging remarks about you and your work in providing this forum – Heyoka Magazine… claiming you to be a racist and other such demeaning slanderous remarks. I am embarrassed and hurt by his actions and yet, I know from my own experience and training how hurt people lash out – ill informed, though purposely with the intent to cause irreparable damage to someone that they feel is a threat to them or to their authority.

I think that he has been deeply hurt by someone and is bent on right the imbalance by horrendously attacking anyone associated with you. I am allowing for some understanding as to why he is doing this to me, to you and to many others that I have found out about.Alton Carroll presents a twisted - distorted image of “do-gooder”. It is his attempt; his interpretation of justice; he should be a concern for all people – he is not.

So we now, me for sure, now must be willing to come to some realistic terms with just how and what he is really doing here. How healthy is this person? As disturbing as this all is… why is he not willing to contact those he accuses before he writes or says this hateful things? We all must be willing to stand for justice. If he is healthy enough and functional able to help, then why has he not demonstrated this ability? He presents. Logically, as scared victim, himself… incapable of healthy confrontation or challenge as a true peacekeeper… He attacks using the very criteria of a system, that he presents as unsuitable – damaging to the Native American way of doing life and resolving issues. Yet he appears to be doing some of the very behaviours and actions that he fights against?? Why has he not contacted - directly - the very person (s) he accuses? This is disturbing! Alton Carroll is the initiator of accusations and he has the legal responsibility to fully check out his sources of his words, writings, and accusations… He writes for people to be accountable to him and to cause people to defend themselves against a shame-based attack… to substantiate his process… to answer to him, based on his knowledge and disposition.I am sure that any healthy and good-hearted person would welcome to talk with him – on record - to see his walk of talk - even a “guard” like me – as he referred to me!

While I certainly do feel sad, about this situation, I am worried that what he has written and placed on the Internet - may have already set in motion – violence and harm to my family and others who seek the form of help I offer. As a I trained protection specialist, not as a “guard”, as Carroll referred to me, trained with Executive Security International, I studied how criminal-type people start out just playing as a social-shit-disturber and then through a distorted false sense of power… by going un-challenged in their attacks on others, that some people with the more deeply set mental and emotional disturbances, actually progress to deeper more deviant social issues. Some like the demented young man in the college who killed so many, many innocent people. He murdered 30 human beings! This man, Cho Seung-Hui, was a troubled 23-year-old senior in college and he is educated! He carried on with out a directed sustained challenge. He expressed relational issues of a romantic/sexual nature. People tried to address his antics long before he murdered so many people. Some people tried and no one got together and dealt with him decisively.I have two views of what I see here. One, as a Sundancer, through the sacred teachings and the other is, as a Protection Specialist and a Therapist… and both ways, I am concerned by that the fact that he has intentionally posts addresses and pictures of his victims and that of their family members, even their children. This has set in motion, the possibility of some other demented person to taking up the task of attacking me or anyone he accuses, by getting inciting a mentally or emotionally disturbed person to strike out as a result of Alton Carroll’s disturbing lies and accusations.


I have seen on one sight, where one writer, says that Alton Carroll posted pics of a person’s children or grandchildren and then this person goes on to say that if Alton had done this to him, that he’d have to send him (Carroll) to the happy hunting grounds – meaning that he would kill him – murder him… And another person makes another statement of murder as well. This hateful and violent way of expressing is directly tied to Alton Carroll.
As a Sundancer, I will see this through to its final conclusion… whatever this entails. As one of the human beings, that he accuses of being -a fraud… I am surely not his victim!
Alton Carroll disturbs me, yet does not hook me into his street-language tactics. I see how Alton Carroll focuses on sexual deviance and sexual perpetration issues… this along with talks of violence and threat cause me deep concern because it appears that he has a deeper sexual issues, possibly unresolved disturbances from being victimized or perpetrated as young person - homeless, surviving and living the street life. He displays through his accusations that sexual issues are deep and strong on his agenda and that he relies on this deviance as a way of shaming others, likely to deflect his own history. He also will take portions out of people’s writings - misuses them out of context - changes them or sends writing that he says are actually attributed to the person trying to defend themselves. Carroll has accused you, John LeKay, of being a racist! This is very sick. I have been accused of presenting Native Americans as pitiful for talking of our social, economic suffering and our lateral violations of one and other… this is real worrisome!


I have watched and waited for proof of his actions. And I have waited for any others, who will attach to his deceitful attacks. Ironically he is sitting in a very precarious position with regard to his writings and submissions. I have copied each day his web his web site writings and the other sites he posts on. As a Master Instructor and one time Canadian Heavy Kickboxing Champion, I lived through many dangerous situations and I have lived the tenets of Martial Arts of indomitable spirit – where I will not bend to a predatorial perpetrator as Alton Carroll – this battle has been called and I am alert.


I saw how contacting him with written material is playing into his abuse… to do so is only setting one’s self up to more ridicule and attack from his gang as well. As I said to write is to give him more of your own words to be distorted and misrepresented and used out of context and to be altered to “look” as abusive to him. AND even if you didn’t write it, he will say you did! It is a no-win, no-resolution and hurtful process with a person like this.


Legal action – a legal, full investigation into who, what, how and why Alton Carroll is doing this... needs to undertaken. At the very least, Alton Carroll must be shown for what he truly is and what he really is doing. He must be held legally accountable and socially responsible for all his lies, deceitful actions and his inexcusable denigrating remarks in the disguise of “exposing frauds and plastic shaman”. He is obviously broadening his scope of subjects to attack by including me and getting more personally insulting. Referring even to my web site writing. Because he reads my submissions to the World Wide Web. What he is doing is hurtful to mistrust and shame of healing the rift between Native Americans and others, as well as causing Native Americans to be more mistrusting of seeking help for the deep social issues that far too many of us face already and continuously. With distorted and disturbing direct attacks, focusing on deviant sexuality, reverse racism, and fraudulent mis-representation, he is displaying a deep disregard for humanity and he rights of people step forward and seek help. Those outside of his realm or paradigm of power and control and abuse are wrong! As part of the Rainbow tribe of all nations of Mother Earth, we all, must become willing... to be consciously aware and actively standing up to stop him and end this kind of shameful attacks… he must be stopped!


Here is how bizarre this man is… I was accused of contacting one of his members, He said she is a white European woman and I was soliciting to help heal her! Here’s what he wrote -
"I should also mention to everyone that part of what got me curious was the fact that La Vallee contacted one of our NAFPS members out of the blue and offered to "help", without knowing anything about this person, who happens to be white and European. So it seems to confirm that La Vallee is pitching his claims of being able to heal at white Europeans, at least in this instance.”
I did no such thing. I can only guess at one thing, After reading an article, I wrote a congratulatory email to a woman by the name of Annika Banfield, from Sweden, a film producer, who had done a film supporting Native Americans and it included “fraud and plastic shaman hunter Alton Carroll” and I shared about my experience of 120 days in which I took the Sacred Pipe to homeless and addicted people on the most dangerous corners on the streets of the city in which I live – Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. I innocently thanked her for supporting our healing! Not dreaming Alton Carroll was this way of being so mean spirited. I wonder what part, if any does Annika Banfield play in this ugly scene. Does she support Alton Carroll in his leading of anti-social, sexual deviant and racist attacks on people? I hope not.


Here is another sample of what he wrote to show his contempt for John LeKay and the real reason for him attacking me! - ”And the fact that Lekay endorses him and promotes him? His record so far is batting 0.00. Lekay's promoted one exploiter after another. So far, I'm not sure if La Vallee is one. Even the disclaimer about ceremony sellers, while good advice, doesn't automatically clear him, because we've seen ceremony sellers even include *our* warnings before."


In my case, "educatedindian" - Alton Carol, gets his info from the World Wide Web. The remarks are there in the hope someone will come forward, take up his attack and he will just sit back and let it happen… that they will do his dirty work! This is why he is dangerous because he puts people’s pictures and addresses there hoping someone will do something bad for him! NOT something good or positive!It is clear that has been known to write in as another person and use another moniker for him self, to show that he has support beyond his gang. La Vallee is not selling ceremony as far as he can see! He says. Cause I am not! So this is accurate. Although he refers to me as NEW AGE or nuage, he does NOT denigrate my experiences as a Sundancer, nor does he desecrate Cannupa – the Sacred Pipe… this would prove beyond a doubt to be his undoing. It would be fatal for him… This is powerful. Yet, he does poke fun at my references to honoring other ways of faith. He is troubled and I felt it from the beginning… I see him.

Like so many homeless children of ethnic dark-skinned minorities, struggling for their identity, especially ones who were separated from their roots, these tend to suffer shame even more deeply. From disconnected abusive parents. They, we are at higher risk for sexual deviance… because of family dysfunction and sexual and violence issues and the loss of nurturing and sustaining affection.
His emphasis and referral to other people’s sexual deviance issues of others leads me to feel he is suffering with and from this issue. As well, he offers – no solution and has taken one him self.I feel that Alton Carroll has unresolved deep-seeded sexual deviance issues and got then as most often have, through a troubled, violent, alcoholic childhood… in the family of origin and that he probably went on to cope and survive abuse, by doing what was necessary and required when he was living – the homeless life in the streets… I believe this is where he was forced to sell his own plasma and take part in other dangerous street life high-risk situations. He focuses on personal attacks on me and my writing style and a critique of my web site… he makes comments pertaining to my personal life which I share to give people a model of being able to speak of any and all issues so that no ones needs to hampered by shame of having trouble in life. I’ve written about deeply and intimate, personal issues, that I have had to with in my life. I have chosen to do this because I want to show that shame does not need to control anyone and that anyone can deal with any issue… no matter what it is. I work with sexual issues as well. It is well known that sexual deviance is a major part and concern in society and that the rate of sexual deviance and dysfunction are

I have written about being attacked personally long before I ever encountered Carroll.Alton Carroll continues to post personal belittling attacks on me and takes some of what I write personally and has reacted to it. He actually took out parts of my web writings and while not reading all my info, he took them out of context and then add his comments, saying that I am a “fraud”, a “pop” psychologist user and a dangerous person because I refer to NLP - Neuro-Linguistic Programming, and that I am not what I say I am and on and on. He makes reference to me a cult leader!! Hmmm??

I write for all people, not only for Native American people... Marginalized fearful people every where, at-risk people, whose hope, faith, belief and trust in ever dealing with deep, sensitive social / living issues is being beaten and ground into the dirt by someone who purports to know better. I hope you publish it for all to see. I see that you have presented positive stories for us, for all races, and these are not just stories of pitiful "Indians" stories, they are not just of one way of faith and belief. I do not agree with all that is said by others here, yet I understand and accept that, what others see or say can be different from my own views.


Alton Carroll is not honestly with integrity - challenging like Mahatma Gandhi, nor is he a proud Native American like Tatonka Iyotaka - Sitting Bull, confronting oppression and injustice. NO! Alton Carroll is attacking like YellowHair - General George Armstrong Custer and attempting to destroy others and this includes Native Americans and others who wish to help us! There is no retreat from this attacking now. He is hurting people - condemning people like the way jealous demented people hunted and killed women, women, who followed Wicca. And just to kill them… nothing else! They just wanted someone to murder and then justified each killing. Alton Carroll needs to stop denigrating all peoples and he needs to offer help to those he has attacked and offer them an apology for doing hurtful things and then he needs to let them decide of they want him near. He hurt many people and I understand this. In hurting others, we have to work to get well and then to offer to make things right AND to accept that we may just have to walk away from them forever… this is true for some we hurt! I believe that Alton Carroll will continue to go on maliciously, hurting selected, vulnerable people... and maybe probably lose it totally... one day, like others before him, have done before him. He will do or instigate violence – to do something really horrible or someone will hurt him. I pray this doesn't happen, and I pray he stops and that we come together to stop him!

He twists and spins the truth. He outright lies and talks in childish street –like terms and expects people to answer to him... to be intimidated and coerced by his demeaning manipulation. He continues with intent to cause others to attack. He posts other site addresses and attributes altered and manufactured and manipulated text to appear to be submitted by others!I have not written to his site and have no intention ever. I have my phone number on the web... Sadly, now my old address is there thanks to him. Another family lives there where I used to… a single mother. I will go there and offer to help them with resources. I saw where he mocked another person who challenged him as to why he would post someone's home address on the web... He said that anyone should not put their real address down when filling out legal forms, especially when registering a web site. And that it serves them right to have it posted! Please remember that someone like Alton Carroll could be waiting for you too! As for him and I have not checked on Alton Carroll, not yet. He needs to be dealt with lawfully and appropriately.

As human beings / peacekeepers, we must offer resolution to problems… where some is making false lies, accusations - there is only one solution admitting to the lies and full removal and full apology… without offering resolution or assistance then this attack and abusive and violating. I believe he needs to be stopped and legal action taken against him, everyone and anyone who assist's him, must be called to task, legally and in a court of law.

As a Sundancer, I invite Alton Carroll, to contact me, directly, by telephone, leaving me his telephone number, so I can phone him back…this number, I will keep confidential. And that he remove my address and all disrespectful remarks that he and his group have posted about me and to cease and desist of any more of this behavior. And straighten any and all accusations of any other victims! White and Native American! I also ask any one who can and will assist me in this quest to eliminate Alton Carroll’s Web Site and remove all unsubstantiated derogatory statements from the web. Regardless of race creed or color. I will talk with Alton Carroll in the good way and ask for peaceful resolution. Not compromise any person’s integrity or dignity or safety or rights… this is my stance… I am not your victim Alton Carroll. I am not perfect, yet I am not afraid of dealing with you… Ever – anytime any place! Please, I say, Alton Carroll, do not be afraid… I understand more than you think. I take this time to invite all others who have been attacked by Alton Carroll or any of his group, to call me and in order that no one misrepresents himself or herself as has been done, that you need to send me your full names and addresses and telephone numbers. I will only talk to you with this information… substantiation of who you are and why you are doing this… Let us come together and stand up to people like Alton Carroll! You can write to me through email and I will call you. If you are a lawyer in the United States and wish to help or you know of one… please. While I pray for peaceful resolution I am not compromising the dignity of anyone… This situation will be dealt with lawfully and forthright.

It is a matter of time when Alton Carroll runs into some other situation or someone else that he doesn’t like because they associate with someone whom he “thinks”… that he “hates” (really fears) and he does not have the confidence (trust in self) to ask them why – So, instead he attacks then and hurts them… and then expects that attacked person to come to him, to ask for permission, to have their God-given right to truth and dignity given back – from him… And they have done nothing to Alton Carroll, to cause this to happen. Who is next? You? Your loved one?

There are far too many people, not just Native Americans, living in troubled dysfunctional conditions… People who live in victim-hood perpetuated by sick and abusive attackers like a seemingly “educatedindian” like Alton Carroll because they are doing shaming attacks on Native American people who dare to stand out in the open and be seen and heard… Alton Carroll preys on the victim-hood of Native Americans. He preys on issues of shame never speaking of his own experiences of healing and helping others and himself. His actions keep too many of us from getting ahead and dealing with historical mistrust problems. He attacks non-Native Americans by saying they are opportunistic and racist, to discourage them from helping us… yet, most of his group are white people!!?? He uses racist views, terroristic threats, violence and shame… to keep other off-balance. And he gets stronger just because he can attacks – un-challenged – and without legal ramifications. He intentionally spreads lateral violence, inciting us to violate one and other, causing further victimizing of one and other… and not just Native Americans. This is just part of the reason that is keeping us as the poorest-of-the-poorest and so disproportionately represented, in epidemic state within the medical system, the welfare system and in the courts and prison system… in victim-hood.
I come in Peace; Though, I am concerned and I understand why some people attack… I believe that if we are the “presenter / bearer” of “bad / negative” words of another… that, we all must emphatically, unequivocally state our stance as non-supporters, defenders of freedom, from and of what was written by the person, who may write hurtful, racist, prejudicial, illegal, slanderous remarks that are designed with no intention of resolution. To you, John LeKay, as I feel you are, I am loving and kind and human and I wish appeal to you to print this it it’s entirety. To Alton Carroll, I appeal to your sense to stop attacking and creating a battle that will go longer than you wish it to and that it will take turns that you do not expect. I am not holding anything back as to my intention and I am not be deceptive… I appeal to your Apache heart of the warrior and peacekeeper… End your attack and walk and live with a good heart as you we Native Americans have blessed and wish to live – with respect, in peace and harmony.Pilamaya – Thank you, Mitakuye Oyasin – We are all related, Akicita Wakan Mani,Jaye La Vallee – 204 – 224 – 9520

RESPONSE TO ANNIKA BANFIELD


I am disappointed that Swedish film maker, Annika
Banfield turns out to be the same person known as Freija on Alton Carroll's site. She obviously supports what is going on there at nafps. I have copies of the correspondence with Annika Banfield and she appears as genuine European white woman, who is bent on supporting the betterment of Native Americans Indians every where... she passed herself off to me as someone intent on working towards supporting positive change for healthier conditioners for all Native American Indians.
I don't know what else to say to you Annika Banfield-Freija, other than, maybe - you could "magically" produce a film about ME - soliciting you to help you as a client for my help and healing work as Alton Carroll said I did!
Either you are exploiting Alton Carroll, Native American Apache... Or he is co-opting you into his malicious and unscrupulous character assassination attempt on me - All and only because I innocently dared to be interviewed in Heyoka Magazine and associate with a man who just happens to be John LeKay... a journalist like you!


At this time, as well, I need to add that no one is right to produce derogatory names for my brothers and sisters... Even when it is someone caliming to be telling the truth!
It hurts my heart to see that we, Native Americans, allow others to be the carriers of our self-hatred through saying words that once were used to rape, murder, molest... violates us and without repercussion from anyone! Put this in your film and also why and how we got this way in the first place... did Alton Carroll speak of the reasons so many of us are so disconnected and "playing" "acting" as the chosen ones - peacekeepers of Mother Earth!


I am sorry for what a sister wrote about someone that I love as a human being man, someone, whom I travelled with once and sang sacred songs with, on the very tip of South Africa, on Cape Horn... overlooking the Robbin Island prison, where for 27 years, humanitarian, Nelson Mandela was locked away... this man is Chief Orville LookingHorse. see video here
www.spirit-warrior.ca/videoandpics.shtml

As you are John LeKay, I only know him to be as you are to me - as a good man... and a Lakota. I am grateful, that I met him and I sang with him. These are my last words in writing to this subject here... I look forward to a peaceful resolution, yet I am prepared. As I have said, all who are responsible must do the right way.


You mock journalistic integrity and Native Americans wishing to feel safe with your actions.. so....Be aware Freija - Annika Banfield, that you are not free to be passing your self as a journalist and humanitarian and then be an active party to defaming, unsubstantiated, imposturous attacks on the very people you profess to be helping. This is like the Stockhom Syndrome
! You joined the robbers / terrorists and NOW You are predatorial and gang-style attacking me and others! Despicable, opportunistic and cowardly!You are held responsible as well Annika Banfield, for all, yet to all, please accept my apologies for the hurtful messages.

I ask in a good way, Please print this in its entirety, Thank you again John LeKay, brotherly love.